by Martijn on 01/09/2016 | Medicinal Opinion

Your Opinion: 3 authorities including Rick Simpson discuss medicinal cannabis oil

Cannabis Oil On the 12th of June 2016 the annual Dutch Cannabis Liberation Day took place in Amsterdam. One of the main speakers during this event was cannabis oil pioneer Rick Simpson. Besides giving a lecture on stage, Simpson participated in a debate together with two local contemporaries in which they discussed their opinions on cannabis oil.


It was a beautiful summer day in Amsterdam during the 8th annual Dutch Cannabis Liberation Day. A few thousand people gathered together in the Flevopark to celebrate the cannabis plant, and to raise awareness of its still illegal status. With the sun and location providing a perfect backdrop, the diversity of bands, artists, speakers and cannabis enthusiasts made for a perfect event.

One of the main speakers that day was the Canadian cannabis oil pioneer Rick Simpson. He has taken the awareness of medicinal cannabis oil to the next level, and was able to create a lot of publicity around it worldwide, mainly because of his personal experiences with cannabis oil. Simpson now travels the globe to promote the, as he calls it, Rick Simpson Oil.

Read our interview with Rick Simpson, including video footage.

Rick Simpson also participated in a debate, together with Wernard Bruining and Rinus Beintema. Bruining and Beintema are Dutch cannabis pioneers who are frontline activists in helping patients to obtain or produce medicinal cannabis oil.

Wernard Bruining (right)

Bruining opened one of the very firsts coffeeshops in Amsterdam, back in 1972. For the last couple of years he has promoted cannabis oil through his Stichting Mediwiet (Medical Weed Foundation). Bruining was inspired by Simpson, but he believes dosages of his own oil can be more accurately judged

Rinus Beintema (left)

After being active in the Dutch recreational cannabis scene for some years, Beintema discovered the medicinal benefits of cannabis. While setting up multiple Cannabis Social Clubs he continues to  explore the boundaries of the law in order to help patients.

The three medicinal cannabis giants have strong opinions on how a good medicinal cannabis product should look; why it’s not part of our regular health care system; how patients are trapped in this system; and how they can get optimal recovery results with medicinal cannabis. This article will compare their opinions. The debate was filmed by Cannabis News Network.

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Discussion leader Steven Kompier was very well prepared. He asked questions many people would like to hear an answer to. Like many others in the industry, Sensi Seeds is often asked if one can claim that cannabis cures cancer.

Simpson: “My experience is mainly based on practical experience. From 2003 till 2009 I treated over 5.000 people with various deceases the medical system does not have an answer to. And I watched this extract working miracles. I can’t guarantee anyone a 100%. But the success rate of this medicine is beyond belief.”

Wernard Bruining believes the success rate is strongly linked to the mentality of people, and how they behave in the medical system.

Bruining: “If they behave as patients, you can give them pills, you can give them oils, you can give them whatever. They still remain patients. But if you make them actively try to improve their own condition, health, and lifestyle with better food and the use of cannabis oil, the chances of success are much higher. It’s not a matter of who is selling the pills or who is selling the oil. It’s about the mentality of the people.

When I get to see patients, the first thing I try to do is switch them from being scared and being dependent, into somebody who is confident and willing to take his chances. So no control, no guarantees. The only guarantee you have is what you create for yourself.”

Beintema: “We get one hundred new members every week because of the good results. We cannot help everybody, it is not a miracle thing. But let the oil speak for itself.”

What does a good cannabis medicine look like?

Simpson: “It is not only about CBD. CBD has medicinal value, no question. But it is also about THC and all the other cannabinoids. It is a synergetic effect working together.”

The Rick Simpson Oil (RSO) is a pure oil made from indica strains. During the debate Simpson said many times that he is a strong advocate of indicas. “They have the sedative qualities to provide you with the rest and sleep you need for the healing process. Don’t go for the strong sativas. The energizing effects make the extract too powerful.”

Rick Simpson cannabis oil up close on a fingertip
Rick Simpson cannabis oil up close

Bruining, however, believes the RSO is too strong and therefore hard to dose. His method is to dilute the pure cannabis oil with olive oil so it drips better and one can accurately dose.

Rinus Beintema agrees with Wernard’s method. “It’s a matter of trial and error, and the feedback of the patients is important. We started with the diluted form too. Our experience is that when normal [inexperienced, ed.] people start to use the pure stuff, they get scared of it. And we do not want that as a result. We want them to embrace it.”

Don’t we need science to back this medicine up?

Beintema, who is working on tests for his products, is in favour of science being involved. “We need scientists to get behind this. We have a lot of data for them to look at. I would like them to tell me what I can change in my medicines so I can help more people.”

Bruining disagrees. “I am not so keen on persuading scientist or doctors and authorities. It’s a waste of time. I am only interested in helping patients.”

But don’t you want medicinal cannabis oil to become legal?

Bruining: “Bob Marley always sang ‘legalize it!’. I am against legalization. Once it is legalized I will stop smoking. Because illegal or legal: it is two sides of the same coin. It’s still the same guys that want to control you. I think cannabis should be free. When it is legalized it is still a form of control, and we should reject that.”

Simpson: “I hate to see that everybody is in it for the money. The plant doesn’t belong to anybody. No government, no rich man. The plant does belong to us all. To you and I. We are the owners of the plant.

There is only one obstacle here, and that is corruption. Corruption is a crime against us all. Governments are corrupted, and controlled by big money.”

Bruining: “The best way to avoid control is to teach people about cannabis, so they can produce it themselves. So no big companies, but themselves.”

Producing oil yourself requires buying or cultivating loads of cannabis

Simpson: “We grew cannabis all through history. It was a farm crop. Who created the black market? Could it be our governments who outlawed the plant in the first place? They are the reason we have a black market. If it wasn’t for what the governments have done, you could go out and buy a kilo of the finest cannabis for medicinal use for 10 bucks. The government created this and it’s up to us to get together and stop it.”

Bruining: “We teach people how to make oil, and inform them where they can arrange for the cheapest cannabis possible, in a legal way. This is also a mental thing. If you go to the coffeeshop yourself to buy cannabis and make the oil, when you finally take it, it works much better because you made it yourself. That provides you with 50% of success.”

Medicinal Cannabis Oil in a seringe with cannabis buds

Simpson obviously agrees with Bruining’s statement.

Beintema’s Social Club came up with an alternative for not having to buy or grow piles of cannabis. “We produce BHO in a closed loop system. We create a pure product and infuse it with simple dry sift or Moroccan Hash because there is a lot of CBD in there. I like the natural CBDs a lot. We make a combined product and call it ‘Dutch Moroccan’; a good integration between two countries. We want to get this to the patients through coffeeshops to use this [as a source, ed.] to make oil, so they don’t have to buy a pile of cannabis.”

The big similarity

Rick Simpson, Wernard Bruining and Rinus Beintema agree on the fact that patients should grow or obtain their own cannabis in order to produce their own medicinal cannabis oil. No organisation or government should be involved.

Although Simpson had some negative comments on the current status of cannabis in his native Canada, the recent developments look very promising. Canada will allow patients to grow their own medicinal cannabis. But regulations for cannabis oil vary from being vague to fully illegal.

What is your opinion?

So, do you agree with these men? Or is making a powerful medicine something that we should leave to the medical experts, who work with clinical methods?

Let us know in a comment below.

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Bambi

We should be allowed to grow it and make whatever we choose from it!

03/09/2016

Nia Snitker

We like to grow our own vegetables ,so it is normal to grow our weed for medical purposes.

03/09/2016

Detritus

Not in the slightest, I don't know the man on the left, but the other two are doing more harm than good to the cause IMAO by behaving like a couple of loony gurus (who do not have any medical training whatsoever btw) and dear mr. Bruining's non-sensical rant against (!) legalisation is typical of his kind of weird and idiotic worldview...This man has this statement on his website FFS : "Recent onderzoek van British Medical Journal laat zien dat slechts een klein deel van de reguliere synthetische medicatie goed werkt, KLIK HIER. Ik druk me voorzichtiger uit: medicijnen werken maar goed bij 50% van een populatie, want alle mensen zijn verschillend. Bij de overige 50% van een populatie werken medicijnen minder, waarvan bij 25% totaal niet. Die laatste groep noem ik de crepeergevallen," As it's in Dutch I'll translate (take everything in brackets as my comments/clarifications please) : " Recent research of the British Medical Journal CLICK HERE (here he links to a known fringe science site, which states as references for this : [1] British Medical Journal Publishing group 2012
[2] PlosMed, 2007; 4 e19
[3] www.prempro.com
[4] B. Goldacre, Bad Pharma; Harper Collins UK, 2012 ISBN 9780007350742
[5] www.natrualnews.com/031287_pharmacogenomics_medicine.html
[6] National Review Drug Discovery, 2011; 712: 328-329
[7] Nature, 2012; 483: 531-533
[8] New Scientist, 17 september 2012: ://www.newscientist.com/.../mg21528826.000-is-medical...
[9] https://www.scienceexchange.com/users/elizabeth-iorns, so including an actual (misspelled) reference to naturalnews.com...). I express myself carefully (no you do not...) here : medicines (they are ALL the same apparently) only work well with 50% of a population, because all people are different (...WTF? generalise much...?). With the remaining 50% of a population medicines (?again ALL of them?) work less well (? You're going to have to take his word for it, as it's not supported by any evidence of course, being complete BS and all) and for 25% not at all. That last group I call 'perishcases' (hard to find a good translation for crepeergevallen, basically it means dying in a bad way)..." I kid you not, the man states up front 25% of people turning to him for help do so in vain and are basically told to go and die AFAICS, now there's a nice attitude for someone dealing with endphase patients.... So again, I strongly disagree with almost all these self-involved conmen have to say.

08/09/2016

Laughing

Nice informtion about medical marijuana.

09/09/2016

Elzebeth Nall

I have a question regarding medical use of cannabis . Because i read it is useful and a cure of cancer. Can i use it depression .

31/12/2016

Stefanie

Hi Elzebeth,
Thank you for your question. This is a post about cannabis and depression: https://sensiseeds.com/en/blog/cannabis-depression/.

Perhaps you'll find this one helpful as well: https://sensiseeds.com/en/blog/cannabinoids-medicine-overview-doctors-professionals/.

All the best,
Stefanie

03/01/2017

Neil Scott

I have a problem with my knees, and over the last 4 years have had nearly 18 operations involving surgery on them my left knee has been replaced and my right knee is about to be replaced in february by surgery again another operation, i have been on Fentanyl for 4 years and my doctor who has now been removed and changed just kept increasing my fentanyl dose for the pain. I take 2 x 100 patches of fentanyl every 3 days and I was up to 10 fentanyl 400 micrograms of lollipops a day to help with the pain, I also take nolotil x 2 capsules, diazepam 20 mg and noctamid 2 mg to help me sleep at night, Because i was so depressed about the lollipops i was assigned here in catalonia, spain to the drug rehab clinic and immediately i was put onto cymbalta, I take 120 mg a day, within 3 weeks all the anxiety for the lollipops had gone and I no longer take them all the other drugs i still do for pain which is chronic, i have been in Andorra recently and forgot to to take my cymbalta and after a week I was in a terrible state with the withdrawal symptoms that this drug has. I went to a chemist here and bought a private prescription, I haven't yet spoken to my drug rehab Dr as I am still in Andorra but I would like to know if taking medicinal marijuana would help me get off all these drugs, I have arthritis in my hips and probably within 5 years will need replacements. I am 54 135 kg and 195 cm tall.

04/01/2017

mayday

Neil I was also on Fentanyl for 3 years and also for knee arthritis and bone-on-bone excruciating pain. I wanted to come off drugs like that and after some reading and an ok from my rheumatologist I decided I was coming off the drugs myself. I read that if you eat plenty of squashed bananas and mashed them up with fresh lemon juice, the withdrawal symptoms would be avoided! I ate bananas with lots of lemon juice and had no withdrawal symptoms. The answer seems to be to high dose on potassium - found in tomatoes, potatoes and bananas. Give it a try and if you can't sleep then get up and turn on the TV. Think of the millions around the world doing the same thing who live in countries where the time is different. A lot of all this is in the mind.

25/02/2017

Marzy

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19/06/2017

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